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Saint Louis one oh two point five three, thanks going three, yes news times, but I'm in, live at the Super Bowl in Houston, okay, picks, , wentz with one is the New England Patriots make history, pulling off the biggest comeback and Superbowl history, and one in the first overtime game in Superbowl history thirty-four twenty-eight over the Atlanta Falcons, patriots running back James White score the winning touchdown on a two yard run but they hero of the night was not surprisingly New England quarterback Tom Brady at one point midway through the third quarter Atlanta play by twenty five points twenty eight to three but the Patriots behind Brady been scored, three touchdowns a field goal and a pair of two point conversion, the tying score came with fifty seven seconds left in the game then in overtime New England took the kickoff and throw the ball seventy five yards for the winning score New England wins superbowl fifty one, I'm Steve Futterman live at the Super Bowl in Houston now what more C.B.S. newest here's Tom Poti, in a pregame interview president from predict about Pat's victory after the game was over on Twitter he called it an amazing come back and win by the Patriots not to the ongoing Trump immigration restriction controversy now before on a public Court in San Francisco that is where the administrations appeal will be heard after a federal George in Seattle effectively stop enforcement of the president for. Walk travellers from seven mostly Muslim Nation leave, went to the courts to seek a stay we're going to the first of this we go to the, the Court of Appeals to not only get to stay but to win on the merits and we're confident, that we will win in the interest of the security the American people Mars president Pence on C.B.S. is face the nation more presidential news came in that pre Superbowl interview precedent Trump as raising more eyebrows with this continued defensive rushers Vladimir prudent on Fox new Sunday Bill O Reilly called prove neck killer and Mr Trump said our country's not so, in a sent take a look at what we've done too, but male out of mistakes I mean against the Warner racked from the beginning the stakes are different now a lot of mistakes okay but a lot of people were killed Mr Trump's refusal to criticize prudent has some in Europe concerned about America's commitment to protecting Ukraine but at the un last week us ambassador Nicky Haley criticized in Moscow so Greiss of actions and Ukraine Pam Coulter, after C.B.S. news Washington automatic rescue at the mouth of a Colombia Reverend Oregon three will fisherman needed just out after they're both took on water this was the Coast Guard radio communication else on four, and the best of Sam air yeah I think he's a sharp like out of this if on one making report with the guardian it with us for the guard that you're cool Um you ever out look this a little more say. 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Louis area resume, two ERA one or Opie wait related overdosed up, that is, are too many, and it it needs to stop then came on Sports in the greatest setback for Atlanta since Sherman's march to the C, the New England Patriots came from behind to beat the Atlanta Falcons thirty four to twenty eight Pts, came works news time is ten oh six overnight cloudy a low of thirty eight tomorrow rain with a high of sixty I'm Kevin Coe lane came works news, Suzanne they gave is a business owner and entrepreneur and an expert in the field of computer and cyber security she's the owner of Tech guard security this see. Enter a systems it's a field that's no doubt expanding by leaps and bounds, I'm getting Monterrey we get plenty to discuss some this edition of am elect profile was, welcome to profile, from entertainers to athlete beloved leaders to watch but yours, profiles gives you an insight into what his me these unit personalities, what they are today, now profiles on the voice of Saint Louis great on the last welcome to play in the likes profiles I'm getting Monterrey in joining me right now the scene deal in Ventura systems Suzanne McGee thanks for being with us, for having me Danny, now cyber security is something that we hear all the time and, it we've been hearing about it for years as computers become more and more an integral part of our lives but of course do this last presidential election we're hearing about hacks in how's say far we enter other countries in our business, this is probably a busy time for people in your field isn't it, yes that's certainly as dab a but is , it's actually helpful in a way to have the awareness now out there about just how vulnerable our systems are, and getting people more aware of what they can do to protect themselves, and talk about the difference now I know, tech guard security with your first company and then Ventura systems it was a spin off of that one but let's start at the beginning because in the year two thousand which doesn't seem that long ago until we start thinking Oh my god that was seventh in here it's ago. We were in a much different place as far as computers go so what was Suzanne McGee doing, I was working for another start up company in there at the end of nineteen ninety nine, and they were putting websites out on to the internet and I became familiar, with some issues with that they were thinking about maybe doing some commerce there, and taking credit cards and I found out about an organization that was working on Network Security as she is, and there actually was a presidential directive I found out about from the White House calling for a public-private partnership, to help secure all the critical, assets in the United States the systems better primarily owned by the public sector, so it became, a parents, two so the administration at that time, that cyber it wasn't called cyber security but that Network Security that we were, we were putting everything up by networks and when you are, doing more with digital records, that that you couldn't just turn your computer off and then expected that information that was going to be see care, so when I was working for this other company I said you now, we really need to pay attention to the security asked backs and at that time, people didn't really know what a firewall even was they thought it was that I read dial up then yes absolutely right so people were board we don't understand why we need to protect ourselves on the internet and many companies didn't really understand that set was gonna be a tall order an education in order to even be able to sell any. Kind of Network Security, on so that company that I was working for decided they didn't really want to get down that path and I said well then I'm going to start a company, and I'm going to respond to the calling from the White House that we need to secure these critical him to structures so in my baseman in ball in Is there a because I kind of founded type card security with that mission, and tie card exist today, now a very highly trusted, partner for that United States Department of Defense, on and other, larger organizations in the commercial space as well, in cyber security we develop some technology in part with the Department of Defense I wanted to bring that ouch The Commercial sector, and that is where we form bandera, and say now we have tuckered security that started in the year, two thousand when no one knew at a firewall was in my basement, to now having, offices in various cities around the country and having to companies up and drove which is now located at the See I see here in Saint Louis them part of this whole attack generation this going on, well and let's talk about that because so we'll certainly get back to cyber security and many of the things that you've been doing butts, so you've moved out of the baseman in ball when, and you're in cortex District which, a lot of people who don't come into the city much may hear about cortex District but that really understand. How on no believable the area is a huge drive-by cortex and it never stops there's Crane's there's new things coming up every day new buildings know businesses, restaurants I mean it is the the amount of growth but I've seen the cortex District in just the past four or five years is unbelievable, that's really trade, I would invite people to come by every Thursday at the venture calf a which is in the forty-two forty building I'm Duncan Avenue just one St. over from force Park Avenue and run by our friend Travis shared in the does nothing impossible here on Cam, on Sunday, there you go, I'm just say you can really get an idea of what's going on about four to five hundred people, comes for a MASH up for what Travis calls or Cyr and get that is collisions, and this is , the entrepreneur is in the community large companies the small business says, the education sector, and people with money that one oh invest in people looking for money as well as people that are looking for jogs intact and other kinds of entrepreneurial endeavors is, truly truly a remarkable thing that's happening, and it's going Barry fast in fact get that, I see I see which is the cortex innovation center in that building where venture cafes like a don't, I think there's probably awaiting Licey even get in there but things happen very dynamic late, it's only on month-to-month kind of fleece and you have all the support systems to really grow entrepreneur ship here in the region. Now a little birdie told me that it might have been the growth of cortex that actually brought you back to St. Louis Is that correct that is absolutely right so initially one Weise by now the andor out from catch guard, we were doing most of our work in Maryland him a D.C. area with our government customers and me Allen had a great program and still does is called cyber Maryland and we felt well, we will of and start our new company be under and the cyber Maryland program and then I heard what was coming nine back here in Saint Louis, and flied well this is really exciting and I saw was able to to are the See I see just in the development stages, and I said I have to be a part of us I could really see that vision taking off, and I thought we want to actually reach more commercial, and financial technology , the from be in the Fin Tech space which we had a lot of customers there, and St. Louis is just a better place to do that at this point in time, Allen to scary government send track, and I thought what a perfect opportunity so band, it was one of the very first companies in the see I say that it was that and other programs that Missouri off there's misery technology Corporation, the prosper woman and this is six celebrator, the six thirty thin Tech Accelerator. All these programs where ones that we were able to participate in, and very quickly caught investment money here and a very glad to be back in the St Louis area, and we're glad to have you back and, I didn't realize that you are one of the first in see as the Another is as you said awaiting last so, I'm glad to move back do you ever have any regrets that life is different on these coast isn't it, you know I really as I am just derailed that we're building capacity, he or in the region Francia can or Shepard and I really see that because system, has expanded dramatically there been so many people who has stayed the course sacrificed here, build companies and then come back to Saint Louis with their, they're treasure and there are technologies and their their learning and now has shared in men train and investing another companies that's really what it takes, and delighted to be a part of it and also like to give part of my time back to mentoring others, and protecting those Technologies is something that this this is than is an expert add fees than McGee is our guest on K M. O. X. profiles She is with Ventura systems and when we come back we'll talk more about the safety of your computer and cyber security stay with a more Lyles coming up, on, one casting from the kingdom awaits board one blending studios born one blending intelligent balls for the intelligent bar work this time last you're welcome to Metro piece yes high. 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Showed that that has really not change we might be at about fifteen percent, so these are fields that up, require, focus in this stand, areas of course the math and science, but there also highly lucrative fields and so it is it's it's something that is a shame that we don't have more people involved, more when men, federer attracted to that I don't know whether it was a lack of, focus on computer games that they were so focused on, always an an girls didn't play as much, maybe that that encourage them to get into these kinds of computer fields and then into the field of computer security, but now there are a lot of efforts being made in fact launched tag, I mean lunch Cousins is made, and Koetter girl are some great programs hair and the St Louis area, I try to do some mentoring as well to encourage, women to get into the field, but there are still challenges out there the other is if you're going to grow a company as a one man and any field, and you want to actually get large venture capital there is still a gap between, on in men and and controlled, entrepreneurial ventures and women out, and it it could be a word not as experienced, There's a lot of research being done about the way that we present and maybe we're not getting the confidence needed to get that capital but also there are some women that are. Putting together a venture capital firms like prosper, and springboard are two examples, and they're investing in other women and, enterprises and coaching and helping macro I help then that encourages women not only to be wrist acres in their career in to get into these fields that are under represented by women but also to start companies, even if you are not in engineer, but you have some good ideas and you can get and you nearing talent to work with you, you can really make a difference in the world and I would highly encourage take him as rest and becoming unstoppable, do I do I and I'm sure must happen around the country to but I I've been inspired to that here in, st. Louis there are so many so many women in business support other women you mention prosper and we do have some great women see iOS who really do spent a lotta time trying to to promote that but you know I we talk about waves gaps between men and women and I think one of the issues is that women aren't using the fields like stand feel, olds that word, hey that more and it's interesting when you talk about presenting because one of the reasons I think women sometimes don't get is bigger raises menace that we don't, ask of the way they do you know women need to that and I need I'm the worst so I'm speaking from personal experience you know a man I'll go into the boss is office and be like. I do this this in this for the company and I deserve this race in the we're going to be like, well you know I did a really good tonight this here and you know I'd really but it's a completely different, it's not I guess is much easier to say no to last, okay but a little too nicely maybe so yes that's something all of us all of us ladies listening should work on, , I am just amazed when you're talking about building your first business in your basement so first of all you have the knowledge the computer knowledge of how did, to do this, but but also the business savvy your did you have to call somebody en because I think that's where a lot of, of start outs in on him I'm tripping Norris kind of you know they may have the expertise of their particular technology but maybe not, the business sense to push that forward, did you have both, I think what I had it was just a passion and tiff so a gap that I saw out there it was this has got to be Dion, and I actually, I probably started out as an entrepreneur when I was a bad to sell my parents were living on the Washington University campus, and sometimes they said they would look around and they couldn't find me because I was going toward a door, bringing Torre about and just visiting with people so. I think as this toddler a started out as a, as a natural Cole caller, but anyway to just wanting to hit, so this is sticks in my DNA, then in my young twenties I was a flight attendant for to get the way, and I decided to start a Miller business and I had no idea how to do it So I got a little block and it's and you had to get a business license I drive to Jefferson city and I said a little company called flight here and I had never done anything like that before, so I don't come with the business background I come with more the science background, but yet I just, feel, that at I don't know it's engaging Tim a to try to saw all these problems and to try to create something like that, but I really stay more focused on, that I need to do something that is going to go Philly gap, so for fly tear uniforms were changing and all of the excess three items he had a change the colors and and my past I done some retail and had some connections and I thought like an, get all those bags in Carmen bags and all the things that they need and so, I just on the kind of put a bunch of things together and took that risk, and I think that's the other thing I don't really think about the safety of what if this isn't going to work. I think for the plan and I've learned to more over time, about the building a business planned, and really figuring out what you're going to need but I also learned, that you do it is a team and I did not attack card on my and I have a phenomenal business partner, Andrea Johnson who formerly is with fouling and she is a computer engineer, but she also has a more of an operation all, that and and I in fact, when we do our personality, graphs were young and yet so I am more as he acts reverted to, I'm trip indoor raced taker and she's on the other side is that so then we have added people to our team people who are really good in finance and built an advisory board to also fill those gaps in the areas that we really, or not as accomplished and I knew that that I would highly recommend doing that get advisors they are flattered to help you and then you can sell in with the things that shootout now, but the most important thing is to have that energy and that drive and the idea and the passion behind that, that you really wanted to create something and that you really want to make that difference out there and that you can say that vision clearly ahead of where you're going to go, it must be very inspiring to be in cortex District to because. Everybody they're pretty much has that mindset, so it's it's almost addictive now I did promise we would get back to talking about computers and cyber security so a good question might be how do you stay one step ahead of hackers we'll take a break here and when we come back more with Suzanne Magee a bandera systems and tech guard security here on A.M. 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How do you stay a step ahead of hackers or or do you what's the strategy when you're trying to keep somebody's computer systems safe, part of it is is understanding the motivation about had person how they're going to get into the systems and then learning we're systems are vulnerable whether it's in the code whether it's in the physical access whether it's socially, and you nearing an employee to get a pass word, on and man, putting up on the various strategies in place, to help companies addressed as issue is, you're absolutely right down the no longer is this what we used to call script Gettys, they were on sitting in the basement doing this just four, bragging rights now it is big money globally and and and is as supported by organize crime, by Nation States, by those who want have some sort of the political statement that they want to make and so there are such very strong motivations, for people to actually get access to this information and more and more we're putting everything into the computer systems, menu move to social engineering, and and I mean social networking, and especially, the younger generations feel so comfortable putting all of their information out there, so now we had even more of phone her ability because, it's easy for people to be calm, us, by studying your Facebook page and getting your health care record and once they become yo, then they can applied for all kinds says. Financial things on they can do things in your name that and and actually, that becomes, very dangerous so what you want to do as how do we say I had a that hackers, well I think first of all it is understanding that hackers, Are Using artificial intelligence, two, more of every time they find a defense that they come up against, the attack can actually automatically morph and change on the fly, so if we're trying to adjust put Rolls Into fire while spy hand, which some companies are still doing mad as their defense, they're going to be a in a losing battle so we have to have more artificially intelligent, a shame learning types of defense is, that are learning as quickly, as the defenses or more as the attacks are more fan, when we started tuckered and I think this is just so interesting, we thought about that and our mission was to have proactive versus reactive secure a day, and we fell to Pat on the use of artificial intelligence and fire while technology in the year two thousand, so that we could adapt on the fly, so I mean it was, amazing Brady here in misery, with misery eight scientists and but misery entre pitta worse, we were probably some of the first, in the industry to even do that we were granted that Pappin around the world so that means that was novel, and innovative, so you know I think that's a traded to my education I am from misery. I'm a product of you city school system and I just have to say, that, both the diversity and they great challenges academic laid that I experienced there, have chest really resonated for me and my lifetime and and maybe of thinker outside the box I mean just always trying to look at things in a different way that that is really the education that I caught so you know Missouri is created a lot of, great entrepreneur and I'm not that I'm same I'm a great entrepreneur bed I'm still aspiring to be there but I really attributed at, to fit nominal education systems and routes, and now finally and entrepreneurial because system here, and the city of Saint lowest excellent, , when we talked a couple of, weeks ago or months ago I at time flies we were talking un I about brand somewhere and I just saw an update recently that set in Twenty Sixteen, they were, estimating companies lost about three billion dollars, with ran somewhere could be more could be last but down for people who are unaware of what that is somehow in New click on a link you that you think is legit they get, they seized control of your computer and then crept all your files and you can get anything back unless you paid him lots of money which of course can cripple a company if they can't get any other Files, and, that is still a huge problem. I'm not exactly sure how we addressed that when you know an email go around like don't click on anything but a lot of these things that we get you know I get hundreds of emails a day one of them look really legitimate and I would hate to be the one who screws up our entire computer system when something looks really legit you know it's it comes down to, the people on the ground who somehow, are the ones responsible I guess fourth saving an entire companies system does that that is that the fair way too, to go about keeping the company safe, I think this is an extremely difficult problem Develin challenge, but I think it is I'm realistic to continue to expect, individuals, and I'm computer users or even members of a company, to be com's cyber security experts because quite Frankly, even hoop, the cyber security experts, in the socially engineered by very realistic looking pieces of information, so I I just today apparently set myself a span email on my company account, founded in my backs and I'm spanning myself into we have all these saves guards that that's not supposed to happen, I I completely understand say you're you're not allowed because I now that , cam all acts is very aware and has great security in place say you can see just how complicated this problem as and just how determined these resources are I mean they have really gone into the field of psychology to figure out how do we get people to do what we want them to do in order to you. Put mall where ended the system for us or give us the passwords that we have access to the system, what I see is going to have to happen, as as I said before with vision machine learning and aware of more artificially intelligent solutions, we're going to have to have ways to recognize these kinds of attacks, thinking way outside the box maybe it's a different kind of away for a buck the way that this particular, email or messages coming in or attachment as and them will going to be able to stop that before it even gets in there, computers are tools, and these are business tools and take to put and, such a layers of security and I expect Tayshaun is that every individual has to keep up with a dynamic Lee changing threat, is on realistic, it's great to be aware I think security awareness is, he everyone should be the eyes and ears of security and company and should to do the best and have that awareness but I think get is going to have to come from, like physical security, people cared and a Burglar alarm they can pull lots and they're doors they can be train to do that and then protect themselves from a lot of Rask in physical security we have to make at that easy for the digital computer user and there are a lot of ways that that can be done, and I think . You're going to see more and more of that one of our are, montrose at then Jura is easy, open see chair so it has to be easy is eighteen years, and that means he put the hard stuff behind and the front and saw that and the automation so that it becomes just natural, open so that it's not proprietary so that you can integrate all kinds of things in two, That's security system without having a be so complicated and then secure you what he you secure code processes, because part of the problem actually as, that the code bits being Britain, for some of these applications, has the ability to be exploited because the code has a whole when it, so that's another another thing that can be done is really and were Saints In dead, improvements there with secure code, but I think we've just got to say be aware, but let's find some ways to protect the systems automatically, so that we don't all have to become, it computer security experts, yes we will even that tissues than make the andor is this Denzel take another break here and when we come back we'll find out more ways that were things that Suzanne sees coming around the bend here on A.M. 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So what do you see coming around the band that might alleviate some of that problem, I think we saw with the, re said it, disclosure of the Yahoo breach where one, accounts were compromised, that it really was the password issue, and that there are ways now to have multi factor Authentication that means instead of just saying the password determines that I am the legit men legitimate user, of the system or the one that should be opening these particular things are have access to this email account, you're going to have to have, multiple ways to I Fenech it the person, There's a company right here in Saint Louis called trade Harbor, who is done voice Brent and I know that resonates with you, you have a beautiful void I think that would be you know that would be great so could decide data PHI year by your voice and we're doing so much was see airy and, and for a sign I'm all these programs that that being recognizing your voice and then having a pass word but additionally there's ways even in your cell sounds right now it's you can structure to factor Authentication him it really isn't that difficult to do I think people are just not aware that there are special ways that you can to read, there's also the way that every single time you access something, because it is sentido when you have to put the code and that can be effective if you don't have to get in and out of the systems very very frequently because then you're slowing down the business process. So what happens is if you make things to complicated people are going to go around a it because it is just they have to get there work done, so we need take make things again, easy to implement, multiple Authentication seizing some sort of bio Matt truck like fingerprints invoice Prince, things that are pretty easy now it to to do you know and then it also have the pass word, you could also manager pass words, with the program, there are several that are out there, and you have one very very long pass weren't, and that Pera tax, I'll vault of all the rest of your passwords, and says and all you have to ever remember are you hook that vault out to your access control, and you just have to remember that wanted, second of like an Apple key chain or something, yeah that's something like that there's there's several they're out there there's something called password one one thing that I'm finding now so I actually went out there to do this myself, it is not as intuitive to actually follow the instructions and do that and then implement that, as one might take so we'll and one thing that I thought we could, to says a contribution out there is make a how to video step-by-step said that's pumping can get I knew too, been say this is how you actually do that so that would be something else that you would be able to do. But you're right passwords is not the answer well thank you for saying that can sometimes I think what stops us to is that we feel so stupid what we're trying to figure out something that supposed to be so easy, and then we just give up and take the password under a keyboard in on him, we're done with that, to try to get your work done for the day exactly, and you know, it's about the business working now I know that you are companies have done as you said to work and, Washington DC with Federal Agency is Department of Defense so you probably gone through several regime changes since two thousand does does anything ever get a little crazy or it doesn't matter who is the president's has that work that you're doing for those department still hasta, goal-line, you know it does matter , well kind and and this this is put on, cyber security in particular I think there is a a great awareness out there at this point, and I think the present a lot D then mentioned and a tweets, reset late but I guess is how we get that the days, from the White House, , that, that, there is going to be a a focus on cyber security, with the recent, ten show, understanding of how other nation's are affecting event maybe our lack Chen's so, I have gone throw from me Clayton administrator, under Bill Clinton. San, as I George Bush came in the office he eliminated that position so, there was no longer a cyber is are in the West when the White House so then I was just trying to , to work an otherwise Wentz, other organizations in the government how mine security was created so they started down that the cyber path and took some of that responsibility Interestingly the F. t see the federal trade commission was very instrumental and looking at how cyber security I guess was gonna affect communications in trade, so it went in different directions but it matters great lay, from administrator into administration, and I think we're seeing more and more They'll Adoption as suck, or or awareness let me put it that way an appropriate budget put towards these kinds of solutions, I know that there have been some federal agencies that have been hack so does that, then increase their awareness are going they just go out that won't happen again and then they move on, , the agency, I I think yeah I can depend on the agency I think the other issue There is the way that the government contract the system works, and for the most part with budget constraints, on it is the lowest price tag make like sup double, offer made that wins that does it mean that is the best solution, the most knowledgeable cyber security professionals who would actually be implementing the systems in the technologies to protect there's government agencies we also have. All kinds of regulation to wrapped around cyber security products, that it can cost, , we we went through some of the certification programs in order to get our product into the government, and it took eighteen months and a half a million dollars and for small business that is a tall order so a lot of innovative cyber security technologies, it could have easily handled the problems that were happening, the compromised all kinds of, information including I think a lot of , applications that people had for their clearance is I mean there's all kinds of issues, wrapped around that, this could have been mitigated if we would have had a, more streamlined way to get technologies that really we're working, from the private sector into the government that is being addressed right now so they're trying to streamline that but this is part of the problem it's a very complicated system, in government contract and on the other side it is because it's the taxpayers money and they want to be extremely careful how that is spent and not just spend that willing L.A. so that is why, there's all these processes in it slows everything down that's not going to work that when the cyber security rights moving too fast to government always seems about eight steps behind the latest innovations in technology but I will see if that changes I guess the good news for Suzanne McGee is this is not the like a dying in.